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March 30, 2020

How Facebook Ads really convert – mini case study

Pact coffee ad

We’re at crisis point in the Drummond household. What could have caused said crisis? A coughing fit? A shortage of toilet paper?


We’ve run out of ground coffee.


The shops don’t have any of course, because now everyone else is also at home, drinking coffee. It’s no longer just me having a secret daytime affair with the Nespresso machine.

So on and off all day I’ve been thinking… where can I get coffee?

About 20 minutes ago, inspiration struck. I remembered a Facebook ad I had seen for Pact Coffee, offering me 2 bags of ground coffee for £10. A bit steep for normal circumstances, but these are desperate times. This was the ad:

Pact coffee ad

Why did I see this Facebook ad? I don’t know for certain. It’s not a remarketing ad – I’ve never been on their website before today. I do remember receiving a flyer a few years ago with a Naked Wines delivery, so they could be targeting me because I like Naked Wines.

As is the way with Facebook ads, you can’t find the ad when you actually want it. So instead I did a Google brand search for ‘pact coffee’, clicked on the organic listing and signed up directly.

In Pact Coffee’s Google Analytics statistics, I’ll look like an organic search visitor. Organic search will take the credit for my order. When in fact, I was only using Google search because I couldn’t find the Facebook ad I had seen.

Technically Facebook may assign some credit to the ad as a view-through conversion, because I viewed the Facebook ad and converted later via a different channel. But in fact, the Facebook ad was much more than an ‘assist’. If I hadn’t have seen the Facebook ad, I’d have never done the brand search for ‘pact coffee’.

This is not an isolated example. Many purchases happen this way. Even in B2B, a Facebook ad can act as a visual prompt or nudge. You won’t see many direct ‘last click’ conversions, but the impact is real.

According to Jonathan, all his ‘big player’ PPC clients are on Google AND Facebook for this reason. The whole is greater than the sum of the parts.

Something to think about.

Maze Mastery: The Vision

Rob Drummond

By: Rob Drummond
March 2020

The Summary
The Back Story So Far
What I’ve Realised
Who Is This For

The 30 Second Summary

I’m back now. It may not be apparent that I ever went away, but I did…

It’s been a while since we created any new Maze Mastery courses. The business has drifted for a while. At the start of February I completely paused our membership programme. The value proposition had become unclear, and I needed some space to think.

Do you ever find you have to take a sabbatical from your work to gain perspective on it? 2020 so far has been one of those times. It’s hard to see the hamster wheel when you’re busy running in it!

So I’ve taken some time out. I’ve taken advice on the business. I’ve spoken to friends and mentors. I’ve done some thinking.

The end result? I’m back on board. Jonathan is on board. But we’re making some small changes. Simplifying things.

This post explains the story to date, the plan going forward, and the benefit to you. It’s scattered with marketing insights and life lessons! If you want to:

  • Develop your remarketing skills
  • Develop your copywriting and storytelling skills
  • Nurture customers across multiple media

Then keep reading…

The Story So Far

I’m what you might call an ‘accidental entrepreneur’. I got into business by accident. I didn’t like my job any more, and the internet makes it possible to start a business with no money whatsoever.

The year was 2012. I had worked in marketing for all of my professional life, initially for a CRM (Customer Relationship Management) software company. Those early years were an education. At the CRM company we did almost everything in-house… created direct mail, stuffed the envelopes, tracked the responses, managed the website, ran Google Ads, took a stab at SEO…

Working for a CRM company meant everything we did revolved around the CRM system. Customer data was paramount. Integration – getting customer into the system accurately – was practically an obsession.

I’ve reflected since that the importance of customer data has only grown over time. Media and attention has fragmented. Lead costs have gone up. Click prices have gone up, at a faster rate even than train tickets or childcare fees! But I am getting ahead of myself…

I left the CRM company, and got into business initially as a Google Ads consultant. I went to networking meetings and Google Ads was what people wanted help with. Google was making it exceptionally easy to waste tremendous volumes of cash. You could even phone them up, and a Google rep would make things even worse! (Sound familiar??)

I had followed Perry Marshall’s work for a while. If you’ve not heard of Perry, Google him. And grab a copy of his book –

Though Perry’s work (and many others: Ken McCarthy, David Rothwell, Ben Hunt all come to mind) I discovered there was a difference between what Google wanted you to know, and what you really needed to know.

(Oh, how little things have changed!)

I learnt most of the key lessons the hard way. For instance, I learnt that a ‘conversion’ often doesn’t mean much.

I remember losing a Google Ads client who was generating conversions well within his cost per conversion target. One day he admitted that none of the leads had converted into deals, so he needed to end the project. “I bet he didn’t even bother calling them,” I fumed to myself.

A key fact became apparent: the purpose of running ads on any platform is to increase the size of your email list. It’s nice if you can do that at an up-front profit, because list growth is then essentially free. But email list growth is the goal.

By 2014 I needed to make a change. I needed more control over the full marketing and sales process. I stumbled across a guy called Jermaine Griggs, who explained how he automated his marketing and sales follow-up systems using Infusionsoft. In my head I was like, this is the missing ingredient!

I made an emotional decision that day to ditch my previous email system AWeber, and jump into Infusionsoft with both feet. I took on a couple of Infusionsoft-related projects, and did the certification to become an Infusionsoft Certified Partner.

So suddenly I had a business that involved managing Google Ads, selling Infusionsoft, implementing Infusionsoft campaigns, building out sales funnel automation, writing emails, telling stories, creating and running Facebook ads, creating websites and landing pages, for anyone with a few pennies to spend.

All of which was too much. Too general an offer. Too many strands of expertise. I suffer from the affliction of being quite good at a lot of these things, without being an out-and-out anything.

I’m not an out-an-out ads manager (although that currently is what I’m mostly paid for). I’m not an out-and-out copywriter, although I love to write. I’m not an out-and-out marketing automation person, although I’m good at it. I’m not an out-and-out storyteller.

I’ve tried over recent years to focus down on particular strands of my work. This had led to a spew of domain names, much to the frustration of my mentors. turned into (tagline: PPC For Back End Profits!)

Which turned into (really a play on ‘Confusionsoft’, which I somehow got past the Infusionsoft brand police). Which turned into Which turned into Which finally has turned into!

It’s like a snail-trail of domain-name carnage. I sometimes call it ‘Rob’s Grand Tour of Marketing’.

The motive behind all these changes has always been to gain traction with one particular thing – to be known for something more specific. Every time I try to do that, I rebel against my own decisions. My work is more holistic than that. More multi-disciplinary. I’ve never been able to drop any core aspect of my work, whether that’s Google Ads, copywriting, storytelling or marketing automation.

These things interlock – and tie together. More today than ever before. To run Google Ads profitably you need some insight into storytelling and marketing automation. And vice versa. It isn’t enough to solve one part of the puzzle.

I had known Jonathan Wilson for a few years. Jonathan was active in Perry Marshall’s forum, and also ran a Google Ads agency. He specialised in a lot of the work I didn’t want to do any more. Things like the detailed aspects of campaign planning, conversion tracking, remarketing setup.

(That’s an insight actually – every agency specialises in different things, even if they claim to be ‘full service’. There is a growing space for agency specialisation and collaboration…)

We’re a long way apart geographically, but not in perspective. For a while I had sent Jonathan little messages, saying “pssst… we should create something together… it could be really great!

Eventually, at the end of 2018, my nagging and nudging paid off. Jonathan is a busy guy, with a large young family. It took a while for the planets to properly align. We initially launched the Maze Marketing Podcast together.

The idea of ‘the maze’ comes from Perry Marshall. It’s the closest framework I’ve ever seen that summarises all of my work. (We actually asked Perry’s permission to name the podcast after his framework).

The key idea behind the maze is to follow up with potential customers across multiple media, where customers with the highest amounts of recency, frequency and money receive more attention.

How recently somebody engaged with your stuff is the biggest indicator of future purchase behaviour. How often is the second biggest. How much they’ve spent (in time or money) is the third.

This principle holds true across all walks of life. The most likely person to call you next is the person who called you last, followed by the person who calls you most often, followed by the person who spends the most time on the phone with you overall.

The most likely person to walk in a pub is the person who just walked out, followed by the person who frequents the most often, followed by the person who spends the most time in the pub overall.

RFM applies to database marketing too. You can organise and prioritise all your marketing efforts by RFM. Remarketing and marketing automation make this possible for even the smallest business.

The Maze Marketing Podcast started as a way to get knowledge out of our heads about this. We both have a lot of experience getting this right and wrong, across a wide range of industries.

Since the early days of the podcast we’ve switched to more of an interview format, inviting on guests from different fields. We’re now building a holistic base of maze-building knowledge. Most of the episodes talk about fundamentals rather than specifics, so won’t go out of date.

(If you haven’t yet dug into the podcast, you really should!

In summer 2019 we took content from the podcast and converted it into the first edition of our Maze Remarketing book. We also ran a 5-week online remarketing training, which now forms the basis of our Remarketing Basecamp course.

The groundwork of where we take things from here is very much in place. Having had time to reflect on things in the first two months of 2020, I’ve decided it’s time to put it all together.

What I’ve Realised…

When I looked back on what we’ve done, I realised a few things:

  • The Maze is here to stay. Like it or not, you need to nurture your highest value customers across multiple media. Paid ads is the most reliable way to do that.
  • Remarketing is (by far) the safest way to run ads on Facebook, Google Display and LinkedIn. And to a lesser extent on YouTube. Generating sales from cold traffic on these networks is extremely difficult.
  • While email open rates have undoubtedly fallen, email is your best source of ‘last click’ conversions. The best way to get potential customers over the line.
  • You need to serve your email list, not burn it. You need to tell stories and build trust.
  • Tool and media fragmentation will be ongoing. (I recently heard Perry Marshall talk about Reddit ads… Reddit ads!) You’re more likely to be running ads across multiple platforms. The Maze is a framework you can use to prioritise and organise your efforts.
  • You’re more likely to use a stack of connected marketing tools than an ‘all in one’ CRM system. (You might even have two CRM systems: one for marketing, and one for sales.)
  • You can’t specialise in all of this. Most of the people in my audience self identify as primarily content people (you like writing emails, ads, blog posts etc), or systems specialists (you’re an expert in the mechanics of marketing automation, Google Ads, Facebook Ads, or some other platform).
  • By and large, content people and systems specialists aren’t talking to each other, when in fact they desperately need each other’s support.
  • There’s no shared space for these two groups to connect. No shared framework, understanding, values and language.
  • The majority of business owners in the world desperately need these two groups of people – and need them to collaborate more!


Another insight from Perry: a wildly successful 21st Century business strategy is to build tribes of two separate groups who need each other, and connect the two with technology. Think of Uber, bridging the gap between drivers and riders.

Maze Mastery now exists to provide this connection between content people and systems specialists. To provide a foundational understanding of core principles. To provide a shared language and understanding. To build a community where people can collaborate.

This isn’t going to happen overnight, because it’s a big job! But that’s what we’re doing here. That’s the work and the direction.

I’m back on board with delivering and building this. Jonathan is on board. I’m hoping you’ll want to be on board too.

Over time there will be different levels of involvement, at varying price points. But for now we’re simplifying things, and starting with what we can deliver at a valuable but low-level membership.

On 26th March 2020, we’re relaunching our Maze Insider membership group. Each month we’ll deliver a member’s only webinar, where Jonathan and I riff on a pay per click or copywriting topic (alternating each month between technical and content topics).

Unlike previous trainings we’ve done, each webinar will be informal and held on Zoom. We’ll be offering hot seat time, where we’ll trouble shoot specific issues you’re struggling with. You can apply for a hot seat in advance, or raise your hand on the call if demand is low. We’ll answer questions that have come up in the Maze Insider community. We’ll riff on trends and things we see happening in the marketplace.

Each month in the print newsletter I’ll write up my notes and summary from the last monthly webinar. If you’re too busy for an hour-long webinar, you can skim the notes and get 80% of the value.

So put the date in your diary: 26th March. If you can’t join us live on the webinar, you’ll get a recording. And a print newsletter two weeks afterwards.

If you’re an existing annual customer, you’ll get access by default. If you’re a paused customer, we’ll be sending out a special invite in the next few days. If you’re neither of these, we’ll be making an special offer to join us in this initial enrolment – details to follow shortly.

Who Is Maze Insider Membership For?

If you’re a marketing professional, you’re finding that:

  • Your expertise is commoditised. Thousands of people offer what you do (even if they aren’t as good as you).
  • Client engagements tend to fizzle out after a few months, in part because you can only solve part of the client’s problem.
  • Writing good ads or emails is a bottleneck. You rely too heavily on content provided by a client, which nearly always sucks.
  • You’re overwhelmed by the more technical aspects of pay per click or marketing automation. The Facebook Ads interface is an ongoing (and deeply frustrating) mystery.
  • You know you could help your clients do more with remarketing… but you don’t know where to start.
  • You’re spending too much time doing work that doesn’t play to your strengths.
  • Good long-term clients are hard to come by, hard to sell to, and often don’t see why they should pay your fees.
  • You’re ready to work, and ready to learn. You’re not looking for quick fixes.

If you’re a business owner:

  • You’re a part-time marketer. You’re engaged with the marketing aspect of your business. You don’t believe you can just outsource it.
  • You like to be in control of your systems and message.
  • You’re not doing much remarketing.
  • You’ve got an email list, but you’re not emailing as often as you should.
  • You want to keep things in-house, or perhaps build an in-house team of specialists.

If so, then stay tuned for further details.

P.S. Is This REALLY for you?

I’ve noticed over the years that our best customers share certain core values…

  • You like to study fundamentals rather than fads
  • You’ve at some point at least attempted to study copywriting
  • You’ve bought multiple Google Ads books and courses
  • You’re a voracious reader – at least when time allows
  • You believe you can do anything yourself, if you really want. You also know you don’t have time.
  • You value flexibility – the ability to work on your own terms from anywhere.
  • You value collaboration. You proactively build your network, even if (like me) you aren’t a natural networker.
  • You’re interested in developing a holistic, multi-channel approach.
  • You question so-called ‘best practice’. You do things that seem against the grain to other people.
  • You can generate leads for other people, but struggle to do so for yourself.
  • You’re modest about what you don’t know, and quietly confident about what you do. Deep down you know you’re exceptionally valuable.

Still reading? Good. Details to follow.


October 18, 2019

Determine strategy before writing ads

I am forever losing my wallet. Not seriously losing it, like leaving it on a train, but losing it around the house. We’ll regularly be attempting to go out as a family while I frantically scramble around.

“You’ve got the bank app,” Linzi would say, exasperated. “Why don’t you just pay on your phone…

‘Pay on your phone?? What witchery is this?’ I replied in my head.

Anyway this week I did pay for something on my phone. Somewhat tentatively, in a Pret A Manger sandwich store. I didn’t have my wallet, so there was no other option.

I held my phone to the card reader, which beeped and went green…

Mind… blown.

You don’t even have to open the app. What an ingenious way to spend money even easier and faster!

“Okay Grandpa…” was Linzi’s sarcastic reply when I enthused about it later.

When you’re constructing a customer follow-up system, your first consideration is the nature of the communications problem you’re trying to solve.

For the phone banking app, the main problem was simply getting me to setup and use the thing. Once used, the product sells itself. It’s simpler and faster than finding my wallet. If you were constructing a remarketing system, you might say things like ‘dare to go shopping… without your purse?

Other products require more education, which changes the nature of the ads you might run. The common thread is that the product must be excellent, or else no amount of advertising can help.

The real question is: what steps in your sales process convert cold prospects into raving fans?

Answer that first. Then build the maze around your answers. There is no ‘one size fits all’ remarketing strategy.

August 22, 2019

Nightmare AdWords clients

I was telling you last time about some of my early Google Ads clients, and the challenges I faced.

Let me tell you about one particular nightmare client…

Nightmare clients are rarely bad people, otherwise they would never become clients in the first place. But they come with little warning bells that jingle away, just audible if you know what you’re listening for. Those warning bells are desperately easy to ignore, especially when you need the money. Sometimes you only hear them in retrospect.

This particular client had sat on my email list for a while. Which is a good sign – not a warning bell! One day he contacted me, and asked how my services worked. We’ll call him ‘George’ (not his real name, obviously).

George’s company was using AdWords to generate leads for an offline sales process. The company was spending £25,000 a month on AdWords (about $30,000). Which for me was a large account.

George mentioned on the phone they had ‘been through’ quite a few AdWords agencies. But he’d like to ‘see what I could do’.

(Ding ding ding! Can you hear the warning bells jangling?)

On the eve of the project George sent me an email in badly-formatted English. (Clients who can’t spell is another warning bell.) ‘I’d like a daily report please Rob’, the email said. ‘The report should show yesterday’s spend by campaign, click through rate, conversions and cost per conversion.’

I never send daily reports to clients because daily fluctuations are misleading, and clients who obsess about them often fly too close to the sun financially. Weekly numbers are more meaningful. And monthly numbers hardly ever lie. Still, I ignored the screaming messages from my gut, and agreed.

I would always know if conversions were down for the day, because at 3PM George would email me. ‘URGENT Leads down Rob. Please action ASAP.’

I would rage internally at this. Please action what, exactly? I’m not a magician. Most of the time I would ignore it and rely on a natural upturn in leads the following day.

I’ve also since learnt that clients who routinely send emails with URGENT in the subject line, signed off with ‘ASAP’ are not great clients to work with. It’s a small clue that they see you as a vendor to be used, not an expert to be consulted.

Not long after the project had started I made a bunch of changes to the website, and George blew his lid. “We make changes on a month by month basis,” he informed me. “That way we compare apples to apples.”

Apples to apples – yeah right. You can’t have it all ways up. You can’t scream and shout about your AdWords results, but also refuse to make any changes to the website.

The project fizzled out after a few months. I was glad, too. The hassle wasn’t worth the management fee they paid me. Or so I thought.

One year later George got back in touch. His last business had tanked, and now he had a new business in another highly competitive market.

George asked if I would consider managing the account again, since I had ‘done such a good job last time’. I wavered for a moment. The warning jangles were all there. I knew George was a well-meaning but troublesome client. But I also needed the revenue.

So we went again. This time George wasn’t my main point of contact; he had a marketing manager, Jane*. Jane was nice enough, but clearly under huge pressure to perform. Once again I failed to set the boundaries on when I could and could not be contacted.

At 9.50 every morning my phone would go (Jane started work at 10). Despite my repeated warnings about daily statistics, she would want to discuss yesterday’s numbers and know ‘what I was doing for them today’.

“Nothing,” was the response I should have given, “because I’m not on payroll.”

I didn’t have the gall to say that at the time.

One week we had a spat about ad creation. I had created some new ads in the account, and some hadn’t performed as well as the control ads. “No more duds please Rob,” was the message I got.

No more duds. If you never write an ad that fails, you’re not really writing any ads. The longer I’ve done this, the more I’ve realised how hopeless it is to predict a winner.

A few weeks later Linzi and I went to Italy for a week. I tried to reassure Jane that her AdWords results were unlikely to tank for a few days without my daily hand-holding. I had no phone signal in Italy, and no computer.

Two days into our holiday I logged on to Wi-Fi in my hotel, and my phone buzzed to life. WhatsApp. It was Jane. “URGENT: NO conversions yesterday. George won’t stand for it. Please look at this ASAP.”

Really Jane? You’re going to harass me on holiday… by WhatsApp?

After three months of conflict our second project came to an end. George finally discovered that I had been ruining his monthly ‘apples to apples’ comparison by sending traffic to pages other than the homepage.

The big problem however wasn’t with George. The big problem was with me, because I hadn’t been clear enough about exactly who I was trying to work with. I hadn’t set the boundaries. I had heard the warning bells – twice – and I had ignored them.

There are numerous lessons here. George wasn’t getting the results he wanted because he was agency hopping and trying to dictate the solution. He was also deeply reliant on Google Search for leads. If leads dropped off one day – for whatever reason – everyone got it in the neck.

I truly believe that Google Ads is an unbelievable system, but there has to be some room to fail. Fail small and fail often, but improve overall.


*Also not Jane’s real name, for obvious reasons.

August 14, 2019

Impossible Google Ads Projects

Some of the early Google Ads projects I took on were a real bump to earth. Hard lessons in tough Google reality…

Not because I was working with ‘bad’ clients – quite the opposite. (The really bad clients will come later, in a future email!)

I had good clients with good businesses, but tough search markets.

For instance, I managed the Google Ads accounts for a local office supplies company, and a local company that sold walkie-talkies. The success of these businesses lay in offline connections and a personal touch. On Google, they were competing with big national brands. They were simply being outgunned on many of their most desirable search phrases.

I went into those jobs believing I had the midas touch, and could take on the national advertisers single-handedly simply by writing better ads.

(I couldn’t).

Perhaps the toughest job I took on was a client with a start-up cloud hosting business. This client had developed a highly secure, robust cloud hosting service. Much more secure than Amazon or Dropbox. (Especially Dropbox!)

The word ‘cloud’ is one of those magic words that automatically ads a zero to the cost of a click. (Similar to keywords that include ‘insurance’, ‘loans’ or ‘mortgage’).

Clicks for the keyword ‘cloud hosting’ cost at least £10 per click, and this was in 2013. We quickly found out that people searching for ‘cloud hosting’ were mostly ambivalent about buying, especially from a provider that had never heard of.

I drew on all the marketing lessons I had picked up over the years. We developed a free report about cloud hosting security, and offered that as the first thing people saw in the ad. It turned out that people searching for ‘cloud computing’ weren’t interested in that, either. Eventually I had to tell the client I simply couldn’t help.

I knew a lot about Google Ads, copywriting and direct marketing. But we were advertising alongside companies like Amazon, Dropbox and Viking (a major UK office supplies firm).

The most common question I’m asked about Google Ads is: does it work?

Google always ‘works’ insofar as they’ll take your money and run your ad. But does it ‘work’ in a profitable sense?

Often that comes down to your business, and who else is advertising. Advertising locally is easier than advertising nationally, because you can leverage local knowledge. But if your competitors on Google Search include Amazon, or big national players, you’ll have to find a niche and chisel your way in.

You really have to pick your battles!

Often this chiselling involves sensible use of remarketing, but I am getting ahead of myself. More on this to follow.

August 12, 2019

Take control of your website

I’ve managed Google Ads accounts in just about every industry you can imagine. Some have been successful, some have not.

One of my earliest clients provided marquee hire for weddings and parties. When we first spoke he had attempted to set up his own ads, and had phoned Google for help. Unsurprisingly Google had added a bunch of broad match keywords to his account. He was getting clicks, but not much business as a result.

In fact, he didn’t know exactly what business his ad spend was generating, because conversion tracking had never been set up. But as far as he could tell, his ads were a black hole for time and money.

I got access to his website and setup the necessary conversion tracking. As part of the project I created a new set of landing pages for my ads. These pages had clear headlines, testimonials and a risk-free call to action. If the content of my pages was similar to an established page, I added the ‘no index’ and ‘no follow’ meta tags to prevent Google indexing my new landing pages in the organic listings.

(For organic Google-ranking purposes you don’t ever want two pages with very similar content. These meta tags tell Google to ignore one of them.)

Which is where all the trouble began…

See, I wasn’t the only person working on the website. The web design firm who had designed the site were still employed for ‘site maintenance and SEO’. According to the client, they submitted a highly detailed invoice each month. But he wasn’t sure exactly what work they did for that.

I knew exactly how much work they were doing: nothing. It seemed to me they were mostly engaged to make my life more difficult. Plus they weren’t exactly ecstatic about having me involved, snooping around their cushy retainer arrangement.

To begin with, they told me they couldn’t provide me with FTP access to the website. (Outright lies.)

Shortly after that, we exchanged angry emails after I had updated one of the WordPress plugins I had installed. Apparently ‘testing’ plugin updates was one of the extraordinarily expensive services they provided each month. Even though all they did was click the ‘update’ button, and check the site still worked. (Absolute pirates.)

Later on, they claimed I was damaging their precious SEO efforts with my new pages (even though I had added noindex and nofollow meta tags).

Eventually I said to the client, “look, you need to choose between me and them. I’ll manage your website and SEO if you like.”

For reasons that are utterly beyond me, the client chose them.

Too bad – their loss!

To run a successful paid search campaign, or build any kind of remarketing maze, you must have control of your website. There are simple too many pages to create. You can’t be held to ransom by an old-school web designer desperate to protect their diminishing turf.


August 1, 2019

The Offline Maze

Did you know the maze exists offline, as well as on?

Last time I was telling you about my first paying web design gig. While this was happening I desperately needed more clients. Preferably clients with real, non-imaginary businesses.

A friend recommended I try local networking. After a little research online, I came across the High Wycombe Business Network. I sent an enquiry to see if they needed a web designer.

The message back was that the group already had an incumbent web designer, but if I wanted to come along in another capacity I would be more than welcome. I asked what they might like to hear about.

“Getting ranked on Google,” was the reply.

(In the years since, ‘getting ranked on Google’ is still the most common answer to that question!)

I hurriedly designed and ordered new business cards from Vistaprint, and booked to go along as ‘Rob Drummond: PPC Consultant’. I had no pay per click clients of course, but my experience with AD had proven this didn’t really matter.

The Network was a two-hour breakfast meeting, running from 7-9 AM every Thursday. I went along and spoke tentatively about my budding but non-existent Google AdWords services.

The first time I went I remember everyone seeming so assured. The financial advisors huddled in a corner to speak in their own special finance language. I distinctly remember a nice lady (who was the incumbent web designer), asking me how my service worked. What was included? How much did I charge? I can’t remember what answer I gave, but I managed to not get thrown out of the meeting.

On the inside I was in turmoil. “WHAT IF THEY FIND OUT I’M A FRAUD?” a voice screamed in my head.

As the weeks slipped by, I became more assured. Speaking to people every week forced me to think about how I structured my projects. One week a guy with an office supplies business approached me after the meeting.

“I’m spending money with Google,” he said, “and I’ve tried calling them. And I think it made things worse. Can you help?”

I stretched nonchalantly to hide my inner nerves, and said ‘sure…’

Pay per click client No.1 was on board! Courtesy of offline, real world, face-to-face meetings.


July 31, 2019

Web Design vs Web Content

Your website is an important part of the marketing maze. If you’re going to pay for clicks, you need to have somewhere to send people.

Early on in my self-employment career I decided I wanted to be a web designer. Which was a terrible decision, given that I hate web design, and hate web designers. But I had studied Ben Hunt’s Pro Web Design Course, which at the time was probably the best web design course on the internet. And so I knew more about it than was probably good for me.

(Incidentally, Ben’s course is no longer available, but we interviewed him on the Maze Marketing Podcast here)

So, I had a ‘web design business’. With no portfolio, and no clients, except a couple of freebie websites I had done. I created a Google AdWords campaign bidding on local ‘web designer’ keywords. And thought little more of it, until one day my phone rang.

“Hello, I’m AD” said the caller. “Do you do websites?”

Yes, yes I did do websites.

“Could you add a membership site?”

Yes, I probably could.

“Would you come over for a meeting to discuss it?”

Yes, yes I would!

I was relieved to get off the phone without AD asking whether he could see any of the websites I had created. Which in a roundabout way, was zero. We arranged to meet the following evening at his house.

AD shared his house with his wife, parents, and about thirteen small children. We perched on office chairs in his attic, surrounded by piles of strewn paper.

AD did most of the talking. He talked excitedly through his ideas for each page. I did most of the listening – trying to suppress the occasional yawn. We mapped out roughly what his new website was going to look like. Eventually, the subject of payment came up.

“How much is this going to cost?” AD asked.

I was careful not to let it show, but I badly needed the cash.

“Four hundred pounds. Two hundred up front, two hundred on completion.”

“That sounds fair enough.” AD said, without blinking.

‘Damn, I should have asked for more!’ I thought darkly.

Still, a part of me was relieved. It was good to have someone who wanted to engage my services and pay me money. He paid me the £200 outside his house in cash, on his doorstep.

I sent AD an invoice later as a receipt for the £200. I had no invoice template, and at the time had no accounting system. My first ever invoice was set out crudely in Microsoft Word, with ‘RJD Consulting’ at the top as my business name. I copied the layout from an invoice I had received from a supplier, and set the invoice number at random. I didn’t want AD to know it was my first ever invoice!

There were a number of problems with AD’s website. Firstly, AD had no idea what he was actually trying to achieve. The scope of the project was changed abruptly a number of times.

Secondly, the website took me WAY longer to build than I anticipated. The more intricate membership elements of the site didn’t fully work, but AD eventually signed the site off.

That was in 2012. I can’t show you it, because it’s no longer online. It seemed nobody except AD wanted the website after all.

Your website first and foremost solves a communication problem. A poorly designed website that says the right thing to the right person will still convert. A well designed site with the wrong content won’t. And likely won’t exist, seven years down the line.

In most cases, there is no need to pay a designer to custom-build your website, like AD did. And actually, I didn’t custom-design his website, because it was built from an existing WordPress theme.

Some of the professional themes you can buy for WordPress are excellent. I use Thrive Themes, and can create a new website in a day or two. The theme takes care of the design, leaving me to focus on the content.

Content changes always outperform design changes. Remember that next time you feel ‘bored’ of your website.


P.S. For further reading on web design, read ‘Save The Pixel’ and ‘Web Design is Dead’, by Ben Hunt. Both free at

Lessons from my first ever Google Ads campaign

Do you remember the first Google Ads campaign you ever created?

I created my first campaign in 2007. I was working as a marketing intern at a software company near London. The company already had decent organic rankings for terms like ‘CRM software’ and ‘CRM solution’.

Those rankings did them little good, because the website itself was terrible. But they did manage to rank organically for some impressive keywords.

So when I approached the MD with a proposal for running paid ads, he was understandably sceptical…

Why would we pay for traffic, he reasoned, when we already had free traffic coming in? But the reality was we needed more leads. So eventually I solicited a £1000 per month budget to experiment with.

At that point I had known about Google AdWords for two years. I started following AdWords expert Perry Marshall in 2005, through one of Ken McCarthy’s System Seminar recordings. “Jump on in,” was Perry’s message, “cuz these cheap clicks are gonna dry up!”

The two main PPC book at the time were Perry’s Ultimate Guide to Google AdWords, and Howie Jacobson’s AdWords for Dummies. Later on I discovered Advanced Google AdWords, by Brad Geddes. I read all of these, and was well versed in the principles.

Of course, the clicks didn’t feel cheap at the time. When Google first introduced AdWords in 2002, you could buy clicks on any keywords for pennies. 10 cent clicks were commonplace. By 2007, we were paying between £2 and £3 for CRM-related terms. Today, those same clicks would cost at least £15.

For two years I had studied the principles of Google AdWords, without really doing anything. I’m more of an accidental entrepreneur than a serial one. I didn’t have a business at 21. I was a studious and slightly apprehensive marketing intern, desperate to learn as much as possible.

Then I created an AdWords account for the CRM company, and realised I had no real idea what I was doing

I knew about keyword match types. I knew to avoid broad match keywords. But how many keywords were you supposed to put in an ad group? Should you put keywords of different match types in the same ad group, or in different ones?

I knew about conversion tracking, but adding the conversion tracking code to our web pages was an adventure. The website was coded in HTML, so I had to add the conversion script to the page in Adobe Dreamweaver, email it to the support manager who would FTP it up to the website.

If you don’t know what any of that means, then neither did I at the start! Nothing was as simple as it seemed in the books. Everything took longer than expected.

Fully aware that our website needed significant work, I created separate landing pages (which I designed myself in Dreamweaver), offering a free CRM email course. People could opt-in to an email series exploring the benefits of CRM. I wrote the course myself in evenings and weekends, and set it up using the email system AWeber.

None of this work was a spectacular success. After reading Perry’s work, I was obsessed with generating ‘conversions’, which I struggled to do. Failing to understand how company budgets are set, some months I even failed to spend the full £1000, figuring (correctly) it was a waste of money.

Eventually the sales manager (who understood a bit about AdWords, and more about company budgets than I did), advised me to ‘just spaff it’.

But many of the ingredients for success were in place. More next time.

June 12, 2019

Remarketing Crash Course: Day 7

Why remarketing doesn’t work

There are three big reasons people don’t make much progress with remarketing. Those are:

1. Over-thinking the strategy

A simple strategy you actually execute is better than one with a fancy name that you never get round to.

If you’re like most people reading this you don’t have much time to implement. To begin with, keep things simple, and just do what you can.

2. Perfecting your ads

You don’t know what ads will work. Crafting the perfect Facebook ad is not a good use of your time. Neither is creating image banners in all the different Google Display Network sizes.

The big issue with spending too long on an ad is you get attached to the ad’s performance.

Many of your ads will fail, and you should expect that. This is less bothersome when you just threw an ad together quickly.

Google and Facebook make tools available (such as responsive display ads) to test images ads quickly. They aren’t perfect, but they’re not bad either. Make use of them. Test the broad strokes (ad headline / ad image / ad text) before you spend time refining anything.

Synergy of message across the different platforms doesn’t matter so much. It doesn’t matter that different ads use different colours or fonts – so throw your brand guidelines out the window. What matters is that people see and recognise you.

Show up in your ads – don’t hide behind them. Where possible use real photos and videos of you – not stock images.

People generally hide in marketing complexity to avoid having to show up in their ads, or present themselves in a vulnerable way. (This is just as true with email as it is with remarketing). Creating complex remarketing systems isn’t a substitute for showing up.

You’re on my email list because you sell based on trust and expertise. Or at least, I hope you are. A basic remarketing strategy that showcases the real you will usually outperform a complex one. (Especially a complex one that doesn’t exist yet).

3. Lack of knowledge

The big problem with remarketing is intimidation. The technicalities of Google and Facebook are intimidating, especially if you don’t regularly work in these platforms. Showing up in your ads is intimidating, especially if you’re used to hiding behind your brand.

I know you don’t have much time to work on this. The question I’m asking at the moment is this:

If you can give me two hours of focused effort per week for five weeks, can I teach you to setup effective remarketing systems that serve you for years into the future?

That’s what Remarketing Basecamp is all about. Remarketing Basecamp is an online remarketing training starting on June 21st. You’ll work directly with myself and Jonathan Wilson to get your basic remarketing systems setup correctly. You’ll adopt a multi-channel approach from the beginning, in a way that doesn’t cost the earth. And you’ll do that with just two hours of focused effort per week, for 5 weeks.

As this is a pilot training, we’ve made Remarketing Basecamp affordable for everyone. Enrolment closes on the 21st when the first implementation session starts. We’ll never be offering this training on this arrangement again. This is a one-time opportunity.

Read more about Remarketing Basecamp

(That page alone is worth a read).

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